Egi Hybrid Conversion

[Nimz77]

please let me know this EGI Hybrid Technology conversion is good for cars?(LPG )

http://www.egi.lk/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPrJ0CYgzBY&feature=youtu.be

[kmeeg]

please let me know this EGI Hybrid Technology conversion is good for cars?(LPG )

http://www.egi.lk/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPrJ0CYgzBY&feature=youtu.be

Question about some items in the ad –

· The ad says even though we have 90/93/95 octane petrol newer vehicles recommend fuel with octane level of 104. But on the fuel tank I see many cars mark as ‘E85’, on Mazda Skyactive engines mark as ‘E91’ & some with ‘E93’. Does this say about the Octane level? I do believe that this talk about the mix of Ethanol but not sure how Octane is calculated. Can someone explain please?

Experience about converting fuel system –

I don’t have experience about EGI Hybrid conversion but below is my experience about old Gas conversion from Laughs.

· Conversion cost about Rs45,000 from Laughs including service charge + parts. And you have to take the car to Laughs to service the KIT. Also I had to clean the air filter more often but was not a big issue since when you ask anyone at the laughs filling station they will do it for you.

· Tank for the gas took lot of space from the boot. I would say 1/3 of the space for an average car. (I don’t think it can be fixed to a smaller hatch back unless they have a smaller gas tank).

· Older system has to be switched manually from Petrol to Gas. If you missed the timing the engine stops. Then have to switch back to petrol and try again. This is was a pain if you have traffic. When stopping the car for long time if you forget to switch back to petrol it’s difficult to start. Also have to look down to check the gas level.

· Installation adds more equipment to engine bay and certain pumps were connected with ‘Y’ brackets connecting to Gas system. And a separate pump is fixed to pump gas which doesn’t have a good finish. And a switch to your dashboard which is not a good looking one.

· Power is way less than running with Petrol.

· According to my calculation I could not go more distance than petrol. Meaning distance traveled with 10L of petrol VS 10L of LPG.

· After traveling a long trip on outstation road with relatively high speeds than stop and go speeds in town I get a burning smell. Never got it when using Petrol. Also noted that the silencer is very dry. When running with petrol the silencer has some moist right? Of cause the bad smell that you get when you stand by.

· After using few years when I check the engine with the mechanic he told that many engine parts were burnt due to LPG. So decided to clean completely and not to use LPG any more. Went to Laughs and disconnected the system. But certain parts still attached to the body like the Tank fixed for LPG, LPG pump, Some parts in the engine as removing them is a pain and will still have the holes on body which they did to fix them.

But on a final note I’m not trying to tell that EGI Hybrid conversion is bad. I just shared my experience with the old system Laughs had. But it was a lesson I learnt to keep the car as it is for the safer side.

Also to note that hybrid technology is getting advance and you can buy many good cars with hybrid technology. So Prius is not the only option. You can get Camry, Highlander, Lexus RX ES GS or even CT, Nissan Pathfinder, etc etc... I guess almost all major automakers produce Hybrid versions. Or even forget about high price tags, think about cars like Viva. I used a Viva 5spd manual which gave me a fairly good gas millage.

Anyways this is just my opinion. Hope you will take a wise decision. Hope other will give you their comments for you too..

KMeeg.

Check below links too;

LPG Bad -

LPG Good -

Edited July 22, 2014 by kmeeg

[Crosswind]

The term "EGI HYBRID" is a big marketing gimmick.

The word hybrid gives orgasms to some people. Smart aleck businessmen from the said company are using that word t to sell the same old failed product with some modifications.

Most car engines r not designed to run on LPG. Naturally they will fail sooner or later. This is common sense.

Edited July 23, 2014 by Crosswind

[Komisiripala]

My brother had a toyota vista 301- lpg conversion. It was the latest top of the line kit offered by laugfs.

It was a disaster. What he did was take a perfectly good 2.0liter engine (i believe there are only 6 petrol vistas in sl) and ruin it. This was an efi system but it sputtered when switched, never idled properly, maintenance was high, and performed worse than a bullock cart with an asthmatic bull! He loved it and stood by it. I hated it and him for it.

Sometimes i wonder how we even shared the same womb!!

[MAS]

OK now please don't shoot me.

Like 12 years ago, I converted my B12 (carb model) to LPG. I didn't do the conversion at Laughs but from a small shop at Navinna. The owner was an Automobile Engineer who did the tuning himself. The car runs beautifully. I never started and stopped with petrol. I even removed my petrol tank to save weight.

The engine was overhauled like 3 to 4 years later (due to worn rings). When the block was taken apart, there was no sign of burnt valves or any other damage that is supposed to happen using LPG. It actually had less carbon build up for an engine with more than 250,000 km on it. So I think LPG burns better with less engine deposits. The mechanic said it was the first time the engine was taken apart. I don't know how he figured that out.

Maybe the key difference I had, compared to most of the other conversions were, that the car was tuned to LPG only. Oh, the tail pipe wasn't dry either. Moist was present when I held the hand at the end of the pipe.

I think I am one of the lucky ones using LPG. Oh, and I still have the B12. Hoping to never depart with it :-)

Now for my second car, which is an EFI, I might consider this EGI with a doughnut tank. Its seems to be fully automated. Must get a hold of some recent customers and get their comments.

Edited July 23, 2014 by MAS

[Nimz77]

Thanks lot friends....so im not going to convert my car with LPG

[asrock]

Thanks lot friends....so im not going to convert my car with LPG

Whats your car anyway?

[DMendis]

I used my 1989 YOM Ford Laser with LPG and had many problems as mentioned by Kmeeg. It had a manual switching and the mxing caused knocking the engine very often. Ended up with complete engine re-built and according to the garage guy at the repair, the valves were burnt due to LPG (He says).

I felt it was smooth when on Petrol than LPG.

[The Don]

Its the valve seats that self destruct when run with LPG because it does not have the lubricating properties of petrol from what I gather

[Nimz77]

Whats your car anyway?

Nissan Pulsar

[Komisiripala]

Machan my dad has had a pulsar as his car for the last 15+ years.

Over the times we have grown to love it so much because it is a reliable, economic, understated, trouble free workhorse. It has grown to be a father-figure amongst the cars in our family.

So much so that it's in my garage right now as the backup vehicle because my Teg has broken down. Again.

You will not gain any long term benefits from LPG conversion. You will only regret the day you did it.

My dad is a very silent man. Doesn't talk much but watches with a smile on his face while his sons stumble through life figuring things out, learning by experience. Helping only when they're down, to pick themselves up.

His car, I feel, has the same personality.

Edited July 23, 2014 by Komisiripala

[kmeeg]

OK now please don't shoot me.

Like 12 years ago, I converted my B12 (carb model) to LPG. I didn't do the conversion at Laughs but from a small shop at Navinna. The owner was an Automobile Engineer who did the tuning himself. The car runs beautifully. I never started and stopped with petrol. I even removed my petrol tank to save weight.

The engine was overhauled like 3 to 4 years later (due to worn rings). When the block was taken apart, there was no sign of burnt valves or any other damage that is supposed to happen using LPG. It actually had less carbon build up for an engine with more than 250,000 km on it. So I think LPG burns better with less engine deposits. The mechanic said it was the first time the engine was taken apart. I don't know how he figured that out.

Maybe the key difference I had, compared to most of the other conversions were, that the car was tuned to LPG only. Oh, the tail pipe wasn't dry either. Moist was present when I held the hand at the end of the pipe.

I think I am one of the lucky ones using LPG. Oh, and I still have the B12. Hoping to never depart with it :-)

Now for my second car, which is an EFI, I might consider this EGI with a doughnut tank. Its seems to be fully automated. Must get a hold of some recent customers and get their comments.

Great to hear that MAS. All that we need is a safe & comfortable car will less maintenance and running cost while been able to use for a long time right? But I have some more questions about this EGI conversions.

• Is this doughnut tank to be fixed where the spare wheel fits? If so it will be a trouble to keep the spare wheel from moving around the boot right? Or does the tank certified safe to fix outside of the car?
• If by any chance if there is a gas leak and if it ignites the fire will start inside the car right? Unlike petrol, if there is a petrol leak it will ignite from under the car or in side engine bay right? And petrol does not spread inside the cabin like LPG right?
• Since you have fixed the conversion system from a local garage do you have any certification about the installation and the equipment?
• After converting to LPG what was the process of updating the insurance and the certificate of registration? What i'm trying to understand is the legal factor of you vehicle to run on the road? As when we register a vehicle it says that it a petrol or any format which was there in the original condition. So what was the process to update these after the modifications? (Just wanted to know how to be safe from the legal maters in case of a accident)

Lastly i'm not sure how will the LPG conversions effect the resale value. As per what i have heard the resale value is far low even hard to find a buyer.

KMeeg.

Edited July 23, 2014 by kmeeg

[MAS]

• Is this doughnut tank to be fixed where the spare wheel fits? If so it will be a trouble to keep the spare wheel from moving around the boot right? Or does the tank certified safe to fix outside of the car?
• If by any chance if there is a gas leak and if it ignites the fire will start inside the car right? Unlike petrol, if there is a petrol leak it will ignite from under the car or in side engine bay right? And petrol does not spread inside the cabin like LPG right?
• Since you have fixed the conversion system from a local garage do you have any certification about the installation and the equipment?
• After converting to LPG what was the process of updating the insurance and the certificate of registration? What i'm trying to understand is the legal factor of you vehicle to run on the road? As when we register a vehicle it says that it a petrol or any format which was there in the original condition. So what was the process to update these after the modifications? (Just wanted to know how to be safe from the legal maters in case of a accident)

1. The doughnut tank is to be fixed where the spare wheel is stored. Either inside the trunk or undercarriage. LPG tanks are much stronger than petrol tanks. They are made with thicker material.

2. This link will answer very well to your question about fire and in general about LPG.

3. No certification. I only got warranty for equipment and installation. Almost 12 years now and no problem whatsoever. It is a Korean unit. No external gauge, it uses the Petrol gauge but of course the reading is not 100% accurate. But looks original. Also a small rocker switch to switch between fuel types.

4. I never bothered about updating the RMV book. But the insurance company was told this is a duel fuel vehicle.

5. I was never worried about resale value. But yes, looking at the general comments here on LPG conversions, the value will get a hit. Unless you remove the kit and fine tune the car for petrol before resale.

Edited July 24, 2014 by MAS

[kmeeg]

1. The doughnut tank is to be fixed where the spare wheel is stored. Either inside the trunk or undercarriage. LPG tanks are much stronger than petrol tanks. They are made with thicker material.

2. This link will answer very well to your question about fire and in general about LPG.

3. No certification. I only got warranty for equipment and installation. Almost 12 years now and no problem whatsoever. It is a Korean unit. No external gauge, it uses the Petrol gauge but of course the reading is not 100% accurate. But looks original. Also a small rocker switch to switch between fuel types.

4. I never bothered about updating the RMV book. But the insurance company was told this is a duel fuel vehicle.

5. I was never worried about resale value. But yes, looking at the general comments here on LPG conversions, the value will get a hit. Unless you remove the kit and fine tune the car for petrol before resale.

Item 1 - So when you place the doughnut tank you have to think of a place to keep your spare tire. Else the tire will go all over the boot when you brake or take a bend. So i guess better and mostly safer would be placing the tank outside right? So the spare tire will be safe and tight. Most importantly wont eat any room in boot.

Item 2 - I guess you might have not notice i have added the same video in my earlier post. The reason i ask you is, in this test they place 2L of petrol inside the car. So normally you don't have a petrol tank inside the car right? But LPG tanks are normally placed inside the car. This test is about igniting it with something like a cigarette or electrical spark. So its very unlikely for a petrol right? So those who think to place the LPG tank inside the car think about that. On another note those who do not remove the petrol tank like MAS what if a LPG fire ignites petrol tank..?? Damn..!!

Item 3 - So that is a good thing. Using the same fuel gauge.

Item 4 - Yes that's safe that having a written document with insurance that you have a vehicle that uses Petrol and LPG. Even better if you could find out how to update the CR.

Item 5 - In my experience its gonna cost more to remove all the equipment and hide all the holes made to fix them. So will have to think about the cost fixing + removal. Also how long will it take to cover that cost with a saving other than running on petrol.

Also if we thing out of the discussion of LPG conversions there are many car manufactures like Ford who build vehicles to run on natural gas (CNG/LPG engine). I've seen only big vehicles with this technology. Not sure about small vehicles.

Hope this discussion is helpful to all. Thanks for sharing the info MAS.

KMeeg.

Edited July 24, 2014 by kmeeg

[JadeyBlitzen]

Laugfs does appear to be going overboard with its marketing. but we should keep in mind during the heyday of gas conversions most cars ran on carbs or at least the ones owned by the sort of people who wanted the conversions, so most were catered for such setups. From my little experience with gas conversions then I remember the systems being really crude at their best. Remember the vehicles that ran around with actual domestic gas cylinders plugged in at the back?

Anyway I believe we should remain neutral at the moment and see how this catches on. Laugfs does say its electronically controlled and offers sequential injection which is the sort of thing required by an efi to run on gas. Also I don't know how much this costs but good gas conversions are expensive as in a few hundred thousand rupees expensive. But I would happily pay that amount to run a very decent big engined car that would otherwise be impractical run on day to day basis.

So lets give these guys a chance and see what happens.

[MAS]

The cost is very attractive. I think around 75,000 for a 4 cylinder installation.

[kmeeg]

The cost is very attractive. I think around 75,000 for a 4 cylinder installation.

Prices for conversions -

http://www.citygas.lk/EGI-Electronic-Gas-Injection-System-Sri-Lanka.php

[Crosswind]

Ok now wht worries me is they replace the ECU and the wire harness. There cant posibly be a one size fits all ECU for all vehicles. I wonder what would be the consequences especially if the vehicle has vvt, turbo, cruise control or even worse, a CAN-bus.

[The Don]

Ok now wht worries me is they replace the ECU and the wire harness. There cant posibly be a one size fits all ECU for all vehicles. I wonder what would be the consequences especially if the vehicle has vvt, turbo, cruise control or even worse, a CAN-bus.

I think theirs will be a piggy back system, rather than a full replacement. They only need to tag on to certain parameters, not the entire lot to make the fuel injection system work. Its perfectly possible to do, but will need flexibility to be adapted to all sorts of different ECUs.

Price does look very attractive. I would like to know feedback from somebody who installs it and runs for about a year. Its clearly not a one size fits all solution.

Also with Diesels, there are guys who mix 2 stroke oil with Diesels as they say it keeps the engine internals in very good nick. I got this out of a BMW forum. Keeps the valves and internals lubricated and burns in the ignition process without leaving damaging residue on the DPF. I wonder if there is a solution for petrols converted to gas along the same lines.

Also for some cars like Vauxhalls/ Opels there are factory gas options available, so the engines must have been adapted to run gas. You just need to understand the modifications done to a proper job at converting a vehicle. The last round was an utter failure in the long term.........

[Rumesh88]

I think theirs will be a piggy back system, rather than a full replacement. They only need to tag on to certain parameters, not the entire lot to make the fuel injection system work. Its perfectly possible to do, but will need flexibility to be adapted to all sorts of different ECUs.

Price does look very attractive. I would like to know feedback from somebody who installs it and runs for about a year. Its clearly not a one size fits all solution.

Also with Diesels, there are guys who mix 2 stroke oil with Diesels as they say it keeps the engine internals in very good nick. I got this out of a BMW forum. Keeps the valves and internals lubricated and burns in the ignition process without leaving damaging residue on the DPF. I wonder if there is a solution for petrols converted to gas along the same lines.

Also for some cars like Vauxhalls/ Opels there are factory gas options available, so the engines must have been adapted to run gas. You just need to understand the modifications done to a proper job at converting a vehicle. The last round was an utter failure in the long term.........

In fact there is.

However, it still leaves you with the question what would happen to O2 sensors when you inject these fluids into the burn chamber. In fact bad reputation of LPG conversion is mainly due to badly set conversion kits more than anything else. LPG has burning characteristics different from those of gasoline. Hence one need to advance the engine by a few degrees on idle (at low RPM) and to retard by a few degrees above 3000 RPM compared to gasoline. I do not understand how all these things are possible with a piggy-back ECU unless you are able to re-map the existing ECU or to override the existing mapping. There are many grey areas which only time can tell as you very correctly said above.

Edited July 25, 2014 by Rumesh88

[Raj1965]

Thank to EGI i managed to install this fully computerized system to my Discovery 3 Jeep. Initially I was not sure about the product but after consulting the specialist of EGI and information obtained from the net, I decided to install it.

Almost 8 months no issue at all.

The saving is around 40% and I feel the decission is correct.

[The Don]

Thank to EGI i managed to install this fully computerized system to my Discovery 3 Jeep. Initially I was not sure about the product but after consulting the specialist of EGI and information obtained from the net, I decided to install it.

Almost 8 months no issue at all.

The saving is around 40% and I feel the decission is correct.

My Discovery.jpg

Since you are a newbie, would you mind explaining your background please. Do you work for the company in question?

[kmeeg]

Thank to EGI i managed to install this fully computerized system to my Discovery 3 Jeep. Initially I was not sure about the product but after consulting the specialist of EGI and information obtained from the net, I decided to install it.

Almost 8 months no issue at all.

The saving is around 40% and I feel the decission is correct.

My Discovery.jpg

You could have plan better before buying the Discover 3 to see if you could afford to maintain it without having to do these kind of mods..

For others who are planning to do LPG conversions read articles on the internet about LPG conversions and research about what kind of problems users faced after converting.. (Not sure why i'm getting all negative articles about these conversions..)

Those who are planning to buy a car plan ahead to see if it fits your budget. Not just to pay the money to purchase it. See if you can use the car after buying it which includes proper insurance + fuel expenses + maintenance cost.. Basically its same as planing your life right?

KMeeg..

Edited September 5, 2014 by kmeeg

[The Don]

You could have plan better before buying the Discover 3 to see if you could afford to maintain it without having to do these kind of mods..

For others who are planning to do LPG conversions read articles on the internet about LPG conversions and research about what kind of problems users faced after converting.. (Not sure why i'm getting all negative articles about these conversions..)

Those who are planning to buy a car plan ahead to see if it fits your budget. Not just to pay the money to purchase it. See if you can use the car after buying it which includes proper insurance + fuel expenses + maintenance cost.. Basically its same as planing your life right?

KMeeg..

Actually well said. Fuel efficiency is the least of your worries with a Discovery 3

[Crosswind]

Thank to EGI i managed to install this fully computerized system to my Discovery 3 Jeep. Initially I was not sure about the product but after consulting the specialist of EGI and information obtained from the net, I decided to install it.

Almost 8 months no issue at all.

The saving is around 40% and I feel the decission is correct.

My Discovery.jpg

You could have plan better before buying the Discover 3 to see if you could afford to maintain it without having to do these kind of mods..

For others who are planning to do LPG conversions read articles on the internet about LPG conversions and research about what kind of problems users faced after converting.. (Not sure why i'm getting all negative articles about these conversions..)

Those who are planning to buy a car plan ahead to see if it fits your budget. Not just to pay the money to purchase it. See if you can use the car after buying it which includes proper insurance + fuel expenses + maintenance cost.. Basically its same as planing your life right?

KMeeg..

Well... someone has money to buy a Discovery but has no money to pay for fuel... so this person does a EGI whatnot conversion and creates an account in Autolanka just to praise the so-called conversion. Not suspicious at all!

Edited September 6, 2014 by Crosswind